Rick (00:04): It takes a bit of a blend of art and science to get baking just right. And having extra eyes, ears, and hands can make a big difference along the way. That's where A. B. Maury North America comes into play. We are the team behind industrial and artists and bakers that help optimize success. We'll discuss more on this episode of The Oven Light. So let's get going. Flip the switch. Welcome back to The Oven Light. I'm Rick Olshack. We've got a great show ahead of us. And for now, let's flip the switch. The oven light is on. All right, we've got a great guest today and you're going to love this guy. His name is Alan Hunter and he is now a fellow St. Louisan, if you will. And he's been a part of a couple different industries, if you will, that have rapidly changed. One goes back to the music industry back in the 80s.

Rick (00:57): We went from albums to cassettes and CD players and those sorts of things. And we went to music videos and this gentleman was one of the integral parts of MTV. Alan Hunter is one of the five first MTV VJs. And now he is maybe not the face, but the sound of SiriusXM on Classic Rewind 25, also on 80s on eight. Alan Hunter, welcome to the program.

Alan Hunter (01:19): Man, it's good to be here, Rick. It's great to know you not just as a neighbor and the father of our kids' friends and acquaintances, but as a baker, in a way, a baker.

Rick (01:28): Awesome. Awesome.

Alan Hunter (01:29): I actually haven't ever tasted any bread that you have baked. What is that

Rick (01:33): About? Well, we're going to make that work, but we did have a clever title for today's show, right? I mean, MTV was known as, I want my MTV, but this one's called I Want My Gluten Free. And we're going to jump into that because Alan and his wife, Elizabeth and their family, they live a gluten-free lifestyle due to some dietary. We'll

Alan Hunter (01:51): Talk about the cheats.

Rick (01:53): Yeah, I know. And Elizabeth's not listening right now. Maybe she will at some point, but we'll see. But hey, let's jump into your music background. MTV was transformational. How was it being part of that change in music habits?

Alan Hunter (02:08): Well, that's a big question with a little answer, which is, I guess, awesome. And I don't think we knew how paradigm shifting MTV was until it kind of rolled along for a year or two, and certainly in history. And in hindsight, 40 years down the pike, we have a very good perspective of where it sits in the Pantheon of entertainment. And I think it probably is still influencing what's happening, not necessarily the present MTV, but what happened to all of our minds back in the 80s and into the 90s. Obviously, it gave us all shorter attention spans. It made edits and movies and commercials a lot tighter and a lot more volumous, but it was fun being there at the time. It was a big party.

Rick (02:48): So let's talk about this second wave of music shifting, right? People would typically hop in their car, listen to the local DJs, the disc jockeys, spending some tunes, talking about local events and such. And now you're part of this digital radio front with SiriusXM. And you've got a couple of your colleagues, couple of your older partners from MTV that take part in the serious generation. So tell us a little bit about some of those programming skills that you've picked up and being part of that 2.0 movement as well.

Alan Hunter (03:17): Well, my job at SiriusXM Satellite Radio is kind of like my gig at MTV. I mean, I'm introducing the music videos and now I'm just introducing the audio portion of it. I was never in radio. So for me to take a hosting job at MTV was somewhat in line with my acting desires. I wanted to be Broadway actor and from there into TV and movies, but I got kind of sidetracked by being one of the only MTV VJs. So there was no handbook. I had to kind of invent it like the rest of us did. And the five of us originals are at least enshrined in history as five originals. Mark Goodman, Nina Blackwood, and I got a call. I actually got a call in 2005-ish from some dude that left a bunch of messages on my office phone saying that he was from Sirius Radio.

Alan Hunter (04:01): I get a lot of calls from people, goofy DJs from all over the country who want me to be on their crazy morning show and, "Dais Dayelle, can we talk to you? " So I ignored it. But this guy was from Sirius and I finally took the call and got the gig. Mark Goodman, Nina Blackwood came along. Martha was a part of the mix. So they got all four originals early on. And up until a couple of years ago, Martha, who moved on to iHeartRadio, the three of us are still there. So doing the same gig, introing, outshowing the songs. We obviously know them well. We have branded the 80s channel, which is, if not the most, one of the top three biggest channels on the Sirius XM platform because the 80s are hot if you haven't heard. They're hot as Doe.

Rick (04:42): Hey, I lived through them. I loved them back there. I loved them in the 90s and the Otts, if you will, and now- Well, you're 90s probably,

Alan Hunter (04:48): Just like my wife, your 90s people. So smashing pumpkins and all of

Rick (04:52): That. Yeah, I might be a couple years older than that. But hey, I will say, we at least have to mention JJ Jackson. He was the fifth of your MTV crew and he has passed, but quite a character. You talk about these characters and you're a character that grew up in Birmingham, Birmingham, Alabama. What was that like to get to tap to New York City? Did you have to wait tables since you were trying to act and do some other things in your career?

Alan Hunter (05:16): Oh God, yes. I had no career when I first lived in New York except to wait tables and do other odd jobs. I went to New York 1980 to pursue my dreams as an actor. I went to acting school at a place called Circle in the Square. So waiting tables and taking odd jobs with answering services was part of the deal. But it was romantic to live in New York in 1980. New York was in the toilet, but as a young kid with only the future ahead of me, it was, again, you could live hand to mouth.You could make some change at waiting tables and pay your rent, barely, but you could do it. So my getting the gig at MTV, which is a long, short story, was right place for my time. I would never have gotten a gig if I sat in my basement in Toledo, Ohio, or if I never got out of mama's house in Birmingham, Alabama.

Alan Hunter (06:04): So you kind of have to get yourself. When people ask me, "How do you get in the business?" I say, "Well, you got to get your butt off the couch and go somewhere and do something." Nowadays, maybe you could just make a TikTok video and be an influencer. So my only way to find the influence was to go to New York. I bumped into the right guy, bumped into Bob Pittman, who was the brainchild behind MTV. He was a friend of a family member and got an audition called, did a couple of auditions. They were just kind of in the mix of my daily, weekly, monthly grind in New York going to audition for a Broadway show or for a bit part in a movie. I was an Annie and then I was in a David Bowie video fashion. So I really didn't think much of this job that said they were going to play videos 24 hours a day.

Alan Hunter (06:43): Since it didn't exist, no one knew what it was. I didn't really know what I was auditioning for. So I got the gig and that was about a year into my time at MTV in New York. So I paid my dues for a year. Other people paid their dues for a lot longer. So I was lucky. I caught a very lucky break with a very odd and amazing gig.

Rick (07:02): Well, I mean, people make their own breaks as well, and I'm a firm believer in that. And I have to say, if you were waiting tables, I'm sure there was some bread on the table because I'm going to switch real quickly to a couple rapid fire, hot pan questions. Oh man. Favorite baked good. Let's throw the gluten free out. We'll talk a little bit more about that in a moment. But when you walk into a bakery and you see something, smells something, what are you like, "Oh, I got to have that.

Alan Hunter (07:26): " Well, I think sourdough bread is my favorite. And the first trip I took to San Francisco during the '80s for MTV, I had the best sourdough bread ever. Of course, San Francisco. I think the pungent smell of sourdough, the way it's spongy and I like really heavy bread. Not that sourdough is heavy, but it's got a lot of omph to it in that solid crust. I love that. Second to that would be a good baguette. If I'm in Paris eating a baguette, that's wonderful. Heavy outer crust, really nice soft inners. I don't like wonder bread. Never liked white bread. My mom fed me the bologna sandwich, tried to cut off the edges. I actually like the edges. Don't cut off the edges of bread.

Rick (08:09): I'm a firm believer too.

Alan Hunter (08:10): You mentioned that I'm gluten-free. We are by choice for almost 10 years now. We certainly cheat every so often. My wife's a little bit more militant than I am. Whether she is now intolerant because she hasn't had it in a long time, or maybe she always had a little aversion to gluten. I mean, the science is still forming around what really is the molecule that is bothering people. I have an older son who's got colitis and gluten doesn't sit well with him, so he steers clear of it. For me, as much as I have always loved pasta and bread and hearty bread though, I'm not going to waste my time with the light stuff. It's got to be hearty, at least in the past anyway. Then I want it to be really good, but I kind of wanted to diminish my intake of wheat in general, because I do think I shed a few pounds when I went gluten-free.

Alan Hunter (09:01): Again, I can cheat and have no issues allergic wise, allergy-wise at all. To answer your question, what do I enjoy now? You didn't ask the question, but I will say that there's not tons of great bread products out there that are gluten-free for my taste buds. It's gluten-free bread is not regular bread. Gluten-free pizza ain't chewy and yummy. The crust is not as good. The gluten-free bread is not as pully and spongy. A baguette that's gluten-free, not as good. A coissa, forget it, don't even try. I'll tell you where gluten-free is good, by the way, is with a scone or a cookie or something crunchier where almond flour or all of the substitutes make for a decent crunchy, crispy, crumbly kind of taste and flavor profile. But I'm not here to say I'm in love with my bread intake these days, but I get by.

Alan Hunter (09:56): All right.

Rick (09:57): But you're saying there's a little bit of work to do for the industry. All right. So it brings me to our next question. It is not baking related, but it could be. Your first album, was it Bread or the band Cake? What was it?

Alan Hunter (10:10): Well, it had to be bread because Cake came along '90s.

Rick (10:13): I know. It was a little. So my brothers were listening to

Alan Hunter (10:17): Bread.

Rick (10:18): Alan, help me out here. Vanilla Fudge.

Alan Hunter (10:20): Vanilla Fudge.

Rick (10:21): Okay. There you go. Those were bands though, Bread and Cake. If you don't know the music scene, Bread was a long time ago and Cake came along a little bit later. But what was your first album? Do you remember?

Alan Hunter (10:30): First one I ever bought was James Taylor.

Rick (10:33): JT.

Alan Hunter (10:34): Now, the first albums ... My family was a very musical family. My father, though he did not make a living as a singer, he wanted to be Perry Como and Andy Williams. He was a great voice, went to New York for a while, pursued it, and then struck out post World War II and just became a businessman. My mother played the piano, but she loved Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass. She loved Sergio Mendez along with classical music. So I was very classically oriented. My father loved opera. So for me to listen to Pavarotti do Newsom Dorma and have my father actually explain why he's so amazing. But my older brothers were listening to The Guess Who. They were listening to The Kinks, to The Rolling Stones. But my love was for the singer songwriter. And I bought James Taylor's first record because he was the first signee to Apple Records.

Alan Hunter (11:24): George Harrison actually heard James Taylor, who came to audition for him at Abbey Road, played him a few songs, and George Harrison signed James Taylor to the label as the first signee. And he is on album cover I remember very well. You fold it out and he stretched out with a little later grass in it. So I was a big JT fan ever since the first one, the first album that I bought with my own money.

Rick (11:46): That's pretty cool. I've never heard the story about Apple Records and being the first signee. That's pretty awesome. All right. So we'll talk a little bit more music here. There is such a fan base for the '80s, and you get invited to do some special programs on cruise ships and such. And I believe you just got back from one of those, did you not? I did. I've

Alan Hunter (12:03): Got my land legs back finally.

Rick (12:05): How is that experience? Give us the lowdown. If you've never been on an '80s cruise, right? There's just cruises for a lot of things. If you like a certain football team, you can hop on a cruise with ex- players. Now you can go on and you can listen to the great '80s bands. You've got the sounds from the MTV jet set like yourself. And how is that experience?

Alan Hunter (12:25): Well, I did not know about theme cruises before I went on my first about seven years ago. I mean, these things have been going on for a while, but theme cruises are all the rage. Yes, whether it's a sport theme cruise or in the world of music, you've got every genre you want. A lot of the jazz cruises are very popular. But eight years ago, seven years ago, I got tapped, asked to do the very first '80s cruise because the '80s decade is all the rage. And that demographic is ... They're the ones with the money and they're the ones that have a little disposable income to go on a cruise. And I was skeptical. One, I didn't ever cruise. I've never been on a big ship in the middle of the ocean. Existentially, it's frightening to me. I was a little scared of vomiting all over the place, but I don't like in the presence of 30080s fans.

Alan Hunter (13:09): That just wouldn't work for me. But I got on the first cruise and really liked it. It was tons of fun. The people that go on these cruises are vetted somewhat by having to pay the ticket to get on board for seven days. It's not cheap. So you don't get a lot of Yahoos. But over the seven years that we've done it, and this last one finished up last week, it's kind of like going back to camp every year. These people love each other. They make friends. They have Facebook groups that get in touch with each other throughout the year. And the bands have come to love it. The bands understand what the '80s cruise is all about. They understand how well it's run. And I get to hear and interview bands like the Smitherines. I mean, I haven't seen the Smitherines in forever. Big fan of theirs.

Alan Hunter (13:51): So got to listen to them in concert and interview them. The church was on board. Brett Michaels was on board. It's a full range. Anton Loke was there standing behind me at the chow line. The beauty of the '80s cruises is that everybody gets to hang around with the celebrities. And the artists, when they're not performing at night in the main hall, the next day may very well be at breakfast, hanging out. And you get to hang out with them. If you're not an idiot and bug them, then they're happy to see you as well. So it's great for the fans. The bands like it. They make a little change, get to go on a little vacation. It works. Been good.

Rick (14:27): It's a fantasy-like experience. Okay, let's throw this out at you. Favorite music video, or do you have a couple that stood out? You mentioned David Bowie and fame, and I don't want that to go by the wayside because you were actually in the music video. I've seen you. And I'm like, I know that guy. But are there a couple that you showed outside of the Bungles and Video Killed the Radio Star, which was the first one on MTV? Are there a couple that are your favorites?

Alan Hunter (14:50): Oh, absolutely. I think that there are top five. It's difficult. I mean, I have a favorite or two. Fashion is the one I was in for David Bowie. I actually liked Ashes to Ashes Better, which was the first video, along with fashion that we had from Bowie in the very beginning of MTV. Thank God we had those kind of videos. People like David Bowie as a part of the New Wave from England were way ahead of the curve when it came to making videos. They were doing that stuff for their own top of the pops in the '70s. The Beatles certainly kind of started the whole wave of film promotions for music. But I got to say, when the song and the video merge and are complimentary to one another, one doesn't overshadow the other. It's perfect for me. Talking Heads Once in a Lifetime with David Byrne in front of a screen like a Weatherman with all these goofy images going on behind him.

Alan Hunter (15:36): The song reminds me of those early '80s. The video is certainly not a cutting edge video, but the whole package probably makes it one of my favorites. Others like Peter Gabriel Sledgehammer was a groundbreaker. There's a Springsteen video from, I think, 87, Brilliant Disguise, which was from the Tunnel of Love album where he broke ground. After five, six years, everybody was trying to reinvent the video wheel, right? What do we do new? Springsteen and his team said, let's take a camera and put it on a dolly. I'm in a kitchen with a guitar singing Brilliant Disguise, which is a very simple song. And it's one shot. Three minutes, camera dolly's in, close up on my eyes, black and white, and that's it. And I thought the simplicity of that was pretty cool. But other favorites, Duran Duran's girls on film to this day, it blows the youngins away in terms of the kind of video imagery that set parents' hair on fire back in the day and confirmed for them that MTV was the devil's playground.

Alan Hunter (16:33): Absolutely.

Rick (16:34): Well, I know we've talked petty a little bit and that's a personal favorite of mine, but don't come around here no more. Alison

Alan Hunter (16:39): Wonderland. That was great though. The Allison Wonderland video was great. Tom Petty did not love doing videos because he didn't like posing or acting. He didn't want to lip sync and he just felt kind of like a poser, kind of foolish. But because of that, then they came up with some of the most fun ones and they kind of had fun with it rather than taking themselves so seriously.

Rick (17:01): Absolutely. All right. So next question for you is, so now you're in St. Louis, right? You're in the same city as AB Maori, North America. We've got our baking hub. We've got our facilities down in Cortex Innovation District, but you've been around this globe a few times, right? You lived in San Francisco before this. You've been in Chicago. As I mentioned, you grew up in Birmingham and you can't throw New York City by the wayside either. So what's that experience been like coming to the Midwest now, back to rural four seasons? And what do you think of the Gateway City?

Alan Hunter (17:30): Well, right now we're living in the rollercoaster of weather. People said to me a year ago when we moved here, yeah, don't bet on the warm weather of March because it'll turn cold again. So right now it's like, would you make up your mind, please? Look, coming from Chicago, we lived there for seven years, went to San Francisco, so that was definitely a dichotomy. I'm used to harsh weather. I think the weather's been quite tempering since I've been here the past year. People last year thought the snow winter was a little harsh. I was like, "You got to be kidding me. You haven't lived in Chicago or I guess Green Bay." I like being back in the Midwest. Our San Francisco time was kind of like an unreal vacation. We lived up in the wine country while my wife was teaching at San Francisco State University.

Alan Hunter (18:11): I could do my job for series anywhere if I have an internet connection. I just bought probably the best house I've ever owned up in Petaluma, California. And we've been there several years and thought this is idyllic, except that it's unsustainable. I don't mean to shade on San Francisco or California, but it's tough times out there. One day it's really unbelievably nice and you're about to go to Napa for a little wine tasting and then the forest catch on fire. That's not cool. There's no water. It's just difficult. So I didn't really know how we were going to remain out there when my wife got the news that there might be a job at Washington University. At first, I went St. Louis. Nothing against the Midwest, but I know nothing about St. Louis. And so almost overnight, we sold our house, bought one in St. Louis, moved here before I even had time to catch my breath.

Alan Hunter (19:01): And I think that's maybe the way to make a lot of changes in life. Just move on. I will say because I'm not resistant to moving these days, I don't want to do it for another little while, if you don't mind. What I have come to learn about St. Louis is one, how old it is, how historic it is, how much great music has been made here. Certainly I have sort of old movie kind of image of St. Louis, and I don't just talk about the arch, but I love it so far. I've lived in a lot of good food towns. Birmingham, Alabama, believe it or not, it's a great foodie town. Per capita, we have more James Beard award-winning chefs in many towns. But I love the neighborhoods of St. Louis, even though I don't feel like I've found all of them. You got to know where to get off of 44 to get off in Tower Grove or as you move down East.

Alan Hunter (19:51): But so far, so good. The suburbs are obviously beautiful. And I'll say this, a plumber comes to fix something, an electrician or anybody I bump into, everybody is so sweet here. The Midwest Chicago people act like they're so cold, they just got to get indoors and they don't have time for you. Not like Brusque New Yorkers, but St. Louis is very open. And it's got, as everybody says, that it's the smallest big town you'll ever live in. And I believe that.

Rick (20:16): That's pretty cool. So let me ask you another question about your hometown, you and I believe your family. You guys have quite an influence in Birmingham, right? You've got a film festival that the family created, I believe, and has been active in for a long time. Give me a little bit, we just kind of went through the Oscars. Tell me about the film world too.

Alan Hunter (20:34): Well, I'll tell you an absolutely direct connection to the Oscars this best Sunday night. The film that won all of the awards, Everything Everywhere All at Once was directed by two young men named the Daniels, Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert. Daniel Scheinert was a young man who my oldest son was great friends with in high school in Birmingham, Alabama.

Rick (20:57): No way.

Alan Hunter (20:58): Daniel did a lot of short films as a high school student that he entered into our sidewalk film festival. We had a high school film director competition each year and he had several shorts that won the Audience Choice Awards. My son was in a few. And Daniel went on to a great career out in Los Angeles doing a bunch of music videos in the past decade and a half. Directed a film with Harry Potter a couple of years ago called Swiss Army Knife that got rave reviews and did this film, which won all the Oscars. Do I credit the sidewalk film festival with his existence? No, he would've made it in some way, but we did help foster talent like that. The Sidewalk Film Festival is something that I helped usher into being about 26 years ago. When I was living in Birmingham, Alabama, I had a film company with my older brother.

Alan Hunter (21:41): And we were kind of seen as the epicenter of all things film in Alabama, not because we were producing tons of movies, but because we helped the business of film in the state, we helped with incentives for legislators to get more film in the state, which every state vines for. And so I got really civically involved. And I built a venue down there called Workplay, which became a music venue, a bar, an office space, and a soundstage for filmmaking for 10 years that we owned it. And so I feel very good and did a bunch of independent films and documentaries. We went to Sundance. We went to South by Southwest. I feel most proud of that. I think in almost anything I've done, I feel most proud of Sidewalk, which is still alive and well. This next year, next August, it'll be the 26th. We built a film center a couple of years ago, raised a bunch of money and built a two-screen theater to house the sidewalk festival.

Alan Hunter (22:30): So it's very meaningful that it's still going on. I'm known as the chair emeritus. They haven't put me out to

Rick (22:35): Pasture yet. Ooh,

Alan Hunter (22:36): Emeritus. I like not to compare myself to Robert Redford, but I am to sidewalk what Robert is to Sundance. He started the whole thing and they keep him on the sidelines when they need him every so often. So they need some rich guy called up, they call me and I make some connections happen.

Rick (22:51): Do we just call you the Sundance Kid then? I mean, how about that? What do you think?

Alan Hunter (22:55): I mean, look, my heart as anybody who grows up somewhere will always be in Birmingham. And I go back there a lot. I have family there and go back as much as I can, if not just for the sidewalk festival every August. But I still love that place.

Rick (23:06): Hey, for our listeners out there, we do have an email address. It is the ovenlight@abaury.com. So if you've got maybe a question you want to pose to Alan or have a commentary on 80s music or maybe your favorite video or something like that, shoot us an email. Again, the ovenlight@abaurer.com will send you some swag and we'll kind of continue the conversation. All right. So here's our final question. We're going to kind of end on a business theme here. You've been in multiple businesses. You've seen a lot of things. You've been around the world. Any words of wisdom to maybe business leaders that are listening, maybe thinking out of the box, doing things differently, stepping into the unknown. You've done that a few times in your career. How do you make that comfortable, right? We're coming out of the pandemic, people are doing things differently. What's your advice?

Alan Hunter (23:48): Well, maybe it's just that. Think out of the box, but that's easy for me to say because when you're running a corporation, I worked for Sirius XM. I worked for MTV back in the day. That was the biggest corporation I'd worked for at the time. In those intervening years, I worked a lot for myself and had my own film company. We didn't always make a lot of money. I mean, that's a business built on failure, but we did make quality movies at least. I always said we made a great hamburger. We just couldn't figure out the business model of it. So talk to other people when it comes to the business of things. I will say this, no doubt the pandemic has upended everybody's expectations for what they personally want to do and what maybe their company is going to do. We just had a town hall Zoom meeting with Sirius talking about the future.

Alan Hunter (24:28): They had to lay off some people because they've got to prepare for, like everybody else, the upcoming tough times in the next year. So it's kind of interesting to hear from a corporate level what you got to do to stay alive. That doesn't always jive with people's personal situations. But how can we do things business as usual anymore? Certainly corporate entities are having to work with people remotely like they never had to before. They got to rethink their real estate situation, having everybody come into the office with your brand new spanking offices. Ouch to that, a lot more conversations happening over Zoom where I've learned how to concentrate and focus better. I'm no good when I'm not in person with somebody. I got to tell you. And nowadays in my business, I do tons of interviews with artists from all over the world via Zoom, which has been good, but I'd rather be there in person.

Alan Hunter (25:17): I think you got to think new paradigms. If my time at MTV taught me nothing else, it was that change is good. Change was our oxygen. And I think that's a generational thing. My parents didn't want change. It felt weird and unsafe. Knowing what you're going to get, what cereal you're going to eat the next day was comfort. That wasn't the case for me. I fit right in with the MTV ethos, which is change everything before the audience was ready. To me, if you only feed the audience or the customer what they want at that moment, you're going to be dead. And I think if you're not innovating and if you're not thinking ahead to what they're going to want a year or two from now, again, easy for me to say, and what company doesn't have the crystal ball person in their ranks trying to figure out what the next big thing is, but I think you always got to be looking at that and not just trying to short-term change built on what customers want right now.

Rick (26:06): Sage advice for all the bakers out there to look ahead, to be looking for different things, not just offering what is appropriate for the marketplace.

Alan Hunter (26:15): What's that future bread going to be? And I would say that certainly if you built it only on a few folks like me that are gluten-free, which I'm sure is a very minor part of the business. But niche is probably ... It's like when micro-breweries started happening and then they started getting bought up by Anheuser-Busch, like artisanal beer. That's going to come back around again, isn't it? Every street corner and every town's got a brewery of some sort. But if you're not building your model on sort of a niche and not a mass produced model, I just think mass production works from a business model standpoint. And if you're growing crops for the world, you got to think about how to make more of them as best you can get down to the personal level in whatever small batch means to a major company, I don't know, but that would be my thing.

Rick (27:02): Alan, I appreciate it. We appreciate you being on the program. I saved a few of our stories. Heck, we might have you on another time because with your travels around the world with Billy Joel, hanging out with David Bowie, I'm sure we've got more stories. So many

Alan Hunter (27:14): Antibodies, man. And there's

Rick (27:17): A bill too,

Alan Hunter (27:17): By the way. A paperback came out a couple of years ago. We do have an exciting project in the works, maybe a little 80s tour show where you could go and maybe do The Fox and see two hours of reliving the 80s.

Rick (27:31): I love it. I love it. We're going to stay tuned on that.

Alan Hunter (27:33): Also, a movie. We got a movie in the works about the early days of MTV in our lives.

Rick (27:39): I love it. Ladies and gentlemen, Alan Hunter, famous on Sirius XM, MTV, given us some words of wisdom on running a business, living the gluten-free lifestyle, living in the Lou. We thank you so much for being on the program. And for now, the oven light is off, the switch is off, and we'll see you next time. We hope you've enjoyed this episode of The Oven Light. Until next time when we discuss more about the wonderful world of baking technology, trends, and more, the switch is officially off. Goodbye for now. See you next time.